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I do feel terribly sorry for Bristol, though. Just imagine what a little bit of knowledge about the birds and the bees could've prevented. And, given what Palin has said before (I'd Oppose Abortion Even If My Own Daughter Was Raped) I surely hope they're not marrying her off to a rapist (btw, what is the age of consent in Alaska?).
But can you imagine what the GOP would be saying if it were Obama's daughter instead?
We're about to see the magnitude of GOP hypocrisy at its worst.
Here's the campaign's new theme song: http://www.videosift.com/video/Winger-Seventeen
"We own you now young man. Now we'll love you as part of the family, but step out of line once boy and your ass is over. Understood son?"
I agree that Barack Obama and his campaign should stay out of this, it'll only make them look like villains, even if they were just pointing out the truth and hypocrisy.
And I hate to say this, but this is one of those issues where the media and liberal attack dogs have a valid place. First of all the girl's pregnancy, age, and unwed status are all facts. This isn't some unsubstantiated rumor being propped up as fact by a few feeble bits of evidence.
Secondly, and this is the defining part of why this is an issue. McCain and Palin are running on a family values, (abstinence only, sex after marriage) platform. In fact Palin was brought in specifically to appeal to voters based on her values. And her daughter is off makin babies out of wedlock. She can't even control her own daughter with abstinence only, how the hell does she think its going to work with everyone else.
As for the abortion thing, they're making a big deal out of the fact she's choosing to carry the baby. So the fuck what, their whole position is there shouldn't be a choice in the first place.
Hey Sarah, instead of preaching Creationism and repeal of Roe v. Wade maybe you should've noticed that your own daughter was humping like a mink in the back seat of some guy's car.
As that J.C. guy said : "You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."
Now if Palin had her secretly abort her baby to avoid embarrassment.. THEN she would be a hypocrite.
I'm all for a good political fight, but let's leave the candidates kids out of it. This is none of our business.
I don't think her kids are out of bounds--because her failed family policies are very much our business. Her same lack of family planning and anti-abortion, anti-birth control policies which resulted in five kids, one of whom is retarded (she had it at 43 years old, which is borderline socially irresponsible), and one of whom is underage and pregnant, are the same failed policies that are going to be forced down the throats of 300 million americans at gunpoint.
You can't call Palin hypocrite because her daughter got pregnant. Teaching abstinence is about taking responsibility for sex. The teen made the choice and now has the consequence.
Now if Palin had her secretly abort her baby to avoid embarrassment.. THEN she would be a hypocrite.
Quite right swampgirl. It's not about hypocrisy, it's about failed policy. And the refusal to change even after a policy has been proven wrong.
dft, we should leave the children out, except when the children are proving the incompetence of the parents. If they can't lead their family in the right direction, what business do they have leading the country?
You can't call Palin hypocrite because her daughter got pregnant. Teaching abstinence is about taking responsibility for sex. The teen made the choice and now has the consequence.
Now if Palin had her secretly abort her baby to avoid embarrassment.. THEN she would be a hypocrite.
Teaching your child a severely deficient philosophy such as abstinence, while refusing to allow her access to birth control or the information about condom use at such a young age is grounds for a conviction of criminal negligence in my opinion.
The moment that 17 year old girl decided to have sex..she took the chance that act could produce a child and hasten her adulthood responsibilities. Children can be held accountable for their actions.
The girl is 17. Childhood over. Not her parent's fault. She rebelled against her parent's advice.
Now if the girl and her boyfriend wanted(planned in advance) to have a baby that'd be another case. Though I'm assuming since they didn't say that the pregnancy was unplanned. Or if it was due to actual failure of birth control (And by failure I don't mean improper/ineffective use), that is also another issue.
>> ^swampgirl:
You can't call Palin hypocrite because her daughter got pregnant. Teaching abstinence is about taking responsibility for sex. The teen made the choice and now has the consequence.
Now if Palin had her secretly abort her baby to avoid embarrassment.. THEN she would be a hypocrite.
EDIT: (I need to learn to type/post faster on these hot debate topics). Yes the girl is responsible for her actions, but her family is responsible for the information she's given on the topic. Was she ever taught condoms ever an option for this girl? Birthcontrol? Emergency contraception? Have teenagers ever stopped having sex at any point in history for any reason?
Birth control isn't the issue here. The young couple could easily obtain it.
Birth control is part of the bigger issue here, which is; Abstinence-only education, which her mother is a staunch proponent of, is a fucking joke.
If Sarah Palin taught her daughter this nonsense, which resulted in Bristol making stupid decisions, then yes, Sarah helped create this mess. Who knows what Bristol was planning on doing with her life, but that's all now irrelevant.
Again, what is the age of consent in Alaska?
As opposed to other methods of sex education which would be like saying, if you’re going to drive a car wear a seat belt, learn to drive defensively, make sure your vehicle is road safe, don’t drive under the influence, only ride with people you know are good drivers etc etc.
If you only teach a person not to drive, and not how to drive safely if they do decide to drive what sort of position do you leave them in? Isn’t the teacher responsible for giving the best information available? Does that not make the teacher in some way responsible if they insist that not driving is the only thing that should be taught in order to avoid getting in a car accident, or a hypocrite if time after time people in ‘don’t drive’ driver’s education keep getting into car accidents? So yeah, the person driving is responsible, but so is the dumbass who’s best solution for driver’s education was to not drive.
The moment that 17 year old girl decided to have sex..she took the chance that act could produce a child and hasten her adulthood responsibilities. Children can be held accountable for their actions.
Abortion is a perfectly valid form of birth control. If she didn't have such an evil coon of a mother she would be taking no such chance.
As Crosswords already stated, Sarah Palin was specifically chosen because of her appeal to conservative family values voters. Now I'm not saying her daughter deserves criticism; she should be left alone. However Ms. Palin's stance on family values SHOULD be brought into focus because of what happened to her daughter, because abstinence-only education has been a bust. In fact look at the teen pregnancy rates of all 50 states (from 2002), red vs. blue. Do you notice an alarming trend?
Again, I'm not saying that this girl deserves criticism. However Ms. Palin certainly deserves some, because it is policies that she endorses that leads to higher teen pregnancy rates.
Teen pregnancy isn't the end of the world. Many teens go on to become wonderful parents. However most all parents across the political spectrum want to reduce teen pregnancy for good reasons:
1. Most teens aren't ready, either financially or emotionally, to be full time mothers. The same goes for the fathers.
2. Most of us want our kids to at least have a chance to go to college after high school, that way they can hopefully get better-paying jobs with their degrees.
3. Most parents would prefer not see their teenage daughters get pregnant at all, rather than see them get abortions. Even most pro-choice people prefer that. And let's face it, teens of all backgrounds, liberal to conservative, get abortions. I'm not trying to stigmatize abortion. I am pro-choice, but I'd much rather see other forms of birth-control employed first.
In conclusion: Leave the girl alone, but grill the mom about why she believes abstinence-only is so great. After 8 years of faith-based initiatives ruining our educational system (and abstinence-only education is just the tip of the faith-based iceberg), it's time for us to push back.
Again, what is the age of consent in Alaska?
It's 16, with a 3 year difference for statutory rape.
I think this is one more piece of evidence that Palin was a last-minute, un-vetted, pick.
Yes, I know the McCain campaign claims foreknowledge, but I don't believe that one bit.
I agree with the sentiment that Bristol herself should be left alone, but I think Palin should get grilled about the kind of example this sets for the first family, and to explain her position on sex education, what sorts of things she'd told her daughter about sex, does she know the father, approve of the relationship, etc.
After all, imagine if Obama had a pregnant teenage daughter. It'd be 24/7 focus on that, and forget hurricane Gustav.
...this is soooo good.
She named her daughter Bristol?
Until now I only associated that name with a city in England, and the boards we used to display our science fair projects.
Forget the other controversies, what's up with that NAME?
[cue ironic tie-in back to the silly and ongoing bitchfest about Obama's name]
http://www.google.ca/search?q=bristol
Ouch.
There's rumor that Trig (the baby with Down Syndrome) is Palin's daughter's daughter, and not her own. Pretty controversial family, eh. Great moral example they set. Guess they couldn't lie their way out of this one, tho.
When Sarah Palin was pregnant with Trig, she pulled her daughter (the same one who is pregnant now) out of school for 7 months so that she could "care for" her pregnant mom. The daughter also allegedly had mononucleosis during that time, so she simultaneously spent 7 months recuperating and caring for her gestating mother.
Does sound a little suspicious, but I'm not aware of any other evidence beyond what I just stated.
I have to say, though, it's pretty funny that the McCain campaign is working overtime on this, saying the girl's going to get married to the father, she's going to keep the baby, the family is supportive, McCain knew about it beforehand, etc.
I always cringe when I hear about a teenage mother marrying the baby's father... it may or may not be the best thing to do, but give it some time... there's no need to rush and make an unfortunate situation even worse by going all shotgun.
Did she mention she will support even more windfall tax on oil companies FOR Alaakans, but not for the rest of the country.
Don't worry, her father was a science teacher, so she knows the importance about why all kids must learn the Earth is only 12,000 years old.
Does it matter who was pregnant ever? Who cares if her doctor told her she can fly home? Who cares if her daughter is/was knocked up. Who cares who stayed home from school for how long. They are all losing arguments.
SHE IS THE MOST UNDER-QUALIFIED PERSON EVER NOMINATED. period.
She is another "Brownie" or "Goodling" and a signal that cronyism and religious pedigree have already destroyed this country if we are at the point where this is the GOP VP pick.
For fucks sake, Dan Quayle has a law degree and was elected twice to the U.S. House of Representatives and twice to the goddamn Senate. She got 2nd place in a beauty pageant in a state where the total population was under 500,000. And the media has nothing else to say about her than her PTA leadership. I mean come on.
You make a VERY valid point that she is hopelessly underqualified for the job. In fact I agree with you that it should be the voters' primary concern about her. HOWEVER, do you have to be so goddamn abrasive about it by calling people "asshats?" Fucking A, dude.
I know we don't follow Robert's Rules of Order here, and that's great. But if I had replied with: "Don't be a dumb motherfucker, Joe. It shows that she's a liar and a hypocrite, you fucking asshat," would we be thoughtfully exchanging ideas? I mean come on.
I know we don't follow Robert's Rules of Order here, and that's great. But if I had replied with: "Don't be a dumb motherfucker, Joe. It shows that she's a liar and a hypocrite, you fucking asshat," would we be thoughtfully exchanging ideas? I mean come on.
You didn't wait for joe to yield the floor, you dumb motherfucker.
I still love you bastards, even if you all hate my ass. You incorrigible pricks.
>> ^Trancecoach:
There's rumor that Trig (the baby with Down Syndrome) is Palin's daughter's daughter, and not her own.
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...[The daughter] simultaneously spent 7 months recuperating and caring for her gestating mother.
Does sound a little suspicious, but I'm not aware of any other evidence beyond what I just stated.
Well, There are also photos rather late in the pregnancy (7 months, I think) showing Sarah with no obvious pregnancy signs, and some family photos from earlier (5 months maybe?) where the daughter is *maybe* showing a bit of a bump. I wasn't convinced by these, though a 40+ woman on her fifth pregnancy at 7 months *not* very obviously showing seems a bit unlikely.
Somewhat more interesting to me were the circumstances of the birth. Mrs. Palin went into labor (possibly early stage) while at a convention of some sort and she was due to give a keynote speech. She decided to go ahead with it, then afterwards fly home (from Texas - 8+ hours I think) and drive another 45 minutes or so to get to her small town hospital. While a month early with a Downs baby at age 43(?). Assuming the rumor is false (I'm undecided) I feel this demonstrates serious negligence on the governor's part - she had to know that there was a not insignificant risk involved.
I have no desire to see Sarah Palin's daughter used for any sort of political advantage, or really to know much about her at all - it's none of my business. I'm a bit loathe to even submit this comment in case the whole thing is complete BS, but anything which would show a significant deficiency in a potential US President's judgment on important matters *is* my business. I'd like to hear at least some sort of response to the allegation - to explain the seemingly risky travel, if nothing else.
As for the flight while she was in labor, the flight from DFW to Anchorage is 8 hours minimum, and that's without a stop to refuel in Seattle. I'd like to see her speech when she was in labor - I'm sure that would be pretty telling. A keynote speaker is bound to have a fairly lengthy speech. If she got through her speech without a contraction, I'd be impressed. I remember at the time being irritated that she had gone through with the flight - especially after having popped out four kids, she wouldn't have been in labor for long. And you would think flying could cause serious complications, particularly if the baby were to be born halfway between Seattle and Anchorage, which would be extremely likely. [Even for a new mother, the average labor time is 8-14 hours. It only decreases the more children you have.]
I never thought twice about it before. The more I think about it now, the more it seems possible. Then again, I don't care enough to worry about it.
McCain campaign supposedly says they did know about this, however vetters for the campaign are only now going to Alaska.
This is so ironic though.
>> ^gorillaman:
Sarah Palin is a disgusting bitch who should be executed for her criminal positions on abortion, gay marriage and drugs. Guess how much I don't give a shit about her parental competence.
ps. Have I mentioned lately just how much I hate f#cking politics.
>> ^kronosposeidon:
>> ^
When Sarah Palin was pregnant with Trig, she pulled her daughter (the same one who is pregnant now) out of school for 7 months so that she could "care for" her pregnant mom. The daughter also allegedly had mononucleosis during that time, so she simultaneously spent 7 months recuperating and caring for her gestating mother.
Does sound a little suspicious, but I'm not aware of any other evidence beyond what I just stated.