Comments for "Poll: Should VideoSift Allow full TV episodes" Talk at VideoSift.com

By uhohzombies

uhohzombies (http://uhohzombies.videosift.com) — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 05:25:06 -0700

Personally, I'm voting no because I come to VS with intent to browse many submissions by many sifters and to actively play a part in the community process while exposing myself to a wide variety of content that I may never have seen otherwise. I don't come here to sit on the same page for thirty minutes to an hour watching an entire television show. If you want to introduce the community to a show that you enjoy I think it can be accomplished well enough using clips of several minutes in length. Also, Hulu and others are region blocked. Despite the availability of methods to circumvent the filter, a great many internet users and less technically inclined VS members will not know this or be able to make use of such technology. They may find themselves annoyed by the steady introduction of new videos they cannot watch; a situation which may turn them off from visiting the site regularly in the future.

By gwiz665

gwiz665 (http://1sttube.videosift.com/member/gwiz665) — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 06:47:12 -0700

No if it's the form it is today.
Yes if you can do fullscreen.

By K0MMIE

K0MMIE (http://1sttube.videosift.com/member/K0MMIE) — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:25:32 -0700

Listen... if they put the full show on their site, even if its with commercials you should be able to submit it... that doesn't mean it will be SIFTED. But you should be able to submit it.

Dont police what we can submit. Its clear they want it on the net.

By swampgirl

swampgirl (http://swampgirl.videosift.com) — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:51:10 -0700

Fence sitters? What the hell?? So 4% of us are voting NOT to vote? geezwiz!

I voted yes. Full screen would be a great great GREAT option, if it doesn't put a strain on the site's resources.

OH, and they would need a channel or label invocation

By Sarzy

Sarzy (http://sarzy.videosift.com) — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:25:15 -0700

But what we can submit is policed. If you don't believe me, try to submit a video with nudity in it and see what happens. I'd say more, but I think uhohzombies has done a pretty damn good job of explaining why this probably isn't a good idea.

>> ^K0MMIE:
Dont police what we can submit. Its clear they want it on the net.

By schmawy

schmawy (http://schmawy.videosift.com) — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:25:56 -0700

A lot of LONG content doesn't make it out of the queue anyway. I agree with K0MMIE, let the sifters decide with their votes.

By HaricotVert

HaricotVert (http://1sttube.videosift.com/member/HaricotVert) — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:27:12 -0700

Opening up the 'sift for full episodes of syndicated TV shows just sounds like we're asking for Cease and Desist notices. I don't think it's possible to fully police it once you open the floodgates, the whole "making sure the episodes posted are allowed to be posted."

Another concern would be the huge influx of new videos that would quite possibly be "auto-stars," that is to say, there would be enough automatic upvoting on an episode just from at least 9 other fans of the series that it would become a ritual of "Oh look, there's *TV SHOW NAME HERE*, guess I have to upvote it." Well, we already do that anyways, but now it would just become even more blatant.

By blankfist

blankfist (http://blankfist.videosift.com) — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:32:10 -0700

Yes, what's wrong with full length TV shows on the Sift? I probably most likely won't check out the latest episode of Lost on here, but I don't see any reason why it couldn't be on here. If you don't want to watch a long TV video on the Sift, then don't watch it. But, I don't see why it couldn't be offered for others.

Stop being Sifting purists - allow some variety!

By Doc_M

Doc_M (http://docm.videosift.com) — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:13:44 -0700

If you can't show full-length episodes, you can't really show documentaries as you really need the whole thing to get the point.

Of course however, if a network does not want its content posted on ...say... youtube or the like, we should not allow it here. That's just copyright infringement. If they allow it, we can allow it. I understand that's already in our Rules FAQ.

By K0MMIE

K0MMIE (http://1sttube.videosift.com/member/K0MMIE) — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:19:46 -0700

>> ^HaricotVert:
Opening up the 'sift for full episodes of syndicated TV shows just sounds like we're asking for Cease and Desist notices. I don't think it's possible to fully police it once you open the floodgates, the whole "making sure the episodes posted are allowed to be posted."

Another concern would be the huge influx of new videos that would quite possibly be "auto-stars," that is to say, there would be enough automatic upvoting on an episode just from at least 9 other fans of the series that it would become a ritual of "Oh look, there's TV SHOW NAME HERE , guess I have to upvote it." Well, we already do that anyways, but now it would just become even more blatant.

I HEREBY ORDER YOU TO GO TO NBC.COM or HULU.COM OR ONE OF THESE OTHER SITES! They have an embed option in them! Granted there will be commercials... but they WANT you to watch them!

By CaptWillard

CaptWillard (http://1sttube.videosift.com/member/CaptWillard) — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:35:41 -0700

When does the poll "close", so to speak?

By dag

dag (http://dag.videosift.com) — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:12:12 -0700

We'll leave it up all of today. At the moment, opinion is split right down the middle. This might go all the way to the convention - to be brokered by *ahem* super delegates.

By raddishs

raddishs (http://1sttube.videosift.com/member/raddishs) — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:14:05 -0700

I initally thought about voting "no" but really, I'd love to find some new TV shows to watch.

I understand the flooding issue and if it becomes a problem perhaps an option similar to NSFW, where you can hide them from your account. Or maybe another tab, like TVSift, where it displays TV shows only.

By guessandcheck

guessandcheck (http://guessandcheck.videosift.com) — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:59:43 -0700

I'd be all for it, but agree with raddishs that there should be some way to filter them out so they don't get abused too heavily.

By HaricotVert

HaricotVert (http://1sttube.videosift.com/member/HaricotVert) — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:28:09 -0700

>> ^K0MMIE:
>>

I HEREBY ORDER YOU TO GO TO NBC.COM or HULU.COM OR ONE OF THESE OTHER SITES! They have an embed option in them! Granted there will be commercials... but they WANT you to watch them!

That's not my issue. I have no qualms against networks that actually put up their shows and embeds and encourage them to be shared. The point is that NOT ALL NETWORKS AND SHOWS DO THAT, and what is going to stop people from posting full episodes of those shows?

By joedirt

joedirt (http://1sttube.videosift.com/member/joedirt) — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:05:53 -0700

A few issues need banged out first.

REGION BLOCKING can be a big deal. Maybe nbc.com isn't region blocking, but what about CBC or BBC, etc. The sift might become a mess.

COMMERCIALS are annoying. Almost all of these full episodes have some autoplay commercials or post/pre-video commercials. I personally think these full episodes need to be contained in a seperate part of the sift. But regarding commercials, it won't be long before ALL video sites have them. YouTube, LiveLeak, Vimeo, they all will soon. Trust me.

I'm going to be very annoyed when ever new episode gets posted when it first hits the internet. (ZOMG, the lastest Office / SouthPark !!!)
I'm also going to be annoyes when someone posts every Outer Limits episode ever.

Also, most of these places are pulling their content after a certain time. Comedy Central does this, and I think more will.

P.S. I voted for Edwards in that poll above.

By CaptainPlanet420

CaptainPlanet420 (http://1sttube.videosift.com/member/CaptainPlanet420) — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:33:32 -0700

omgoodness this page's color scheme is almost not torture on the eyes, stoppppp

By MarineGunrock

MarineGunrock (http://marinegunrock.videosift.com) — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:12:59 -0700

I think that full episodes would destroy the sift.
Everyone and their brother would be sifting them left and right, and because everyone loves it, people would vote for it. - I really can't make a compelling argument due to the amount of alcohol I've imbibed over the past few hours.

By choggie

choggie (http://1sttube.videosift.com/member/choggie) — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:42:03 -0700

drink creamed corn from the can...(watch sharp edges)

By Sarzy

Sarzy (http://sarzy.videosift.com) — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 23:39:17 -0700

Leave it to choggie to cut through all the mumbo-jumbo and get straight to the heart of the matter. Creamed corn indeed, choggie. Creamed corn indeed.

By Farhad2000

Farhad2000 (http://farhad.videosift.com) — Sat, 29 Mar 2008 01:32:36 -0700

Only documentaries.

By legacy0100

legacy0100 (http://1sttube.videosift.com/member/legacy0100) — Sat, 29 Mar 2008 02:43:18 -0700

Even if the feds come to close down some of the TV show videos, it's not our liability because we're not hosting it, we're merely linking it.

By blankfist

blankfist (http://blankfist.videosift.com) — Sat, 29 Mar 2008 03:59:50 -0700

>> ^MarineGunrock:
I think that full episodes would destroy the sift.
Everyone and their brother would be sifting them left and right, and because everyone loves it, people would vote for it. - I really can't make a compelling argument due to the amount of alcohol I've imbibed over the past few hours.

FYI, I did NOT upvote his comment because of his "full length videos will destroy the sift" chicken little spiel. I upvoted because he is drunk, and so am I. Well, not drunk but I certainly would get another DUI if I ventured out on the road in this condition, but I'm sober enough to say my ABCs backwards. Wanna hear? Didn't think so.

By jwray

jwray (http://jwray.videosift.com) — Sat, 29 Mar 2008 05:05:51 -0700

>> ^raddishs:
I initally thought about voting "no" but really, I'd love to find some new TV shows to watch.

I understand the flooding issue and if it becomes a problem perhaps an option similar to NSFW, where you can hide them from your account. Or maybe another tab, like TVSift, where it displays TV shows only.

We already have that, and it's called the 1sttube channel.

>> ^legacy0100:
Even if the feds come to close down some of the TV show videos, it's not our liability because we're not hosting it, we're merely linking it.

There are sites that legally provide full-length TV show embeds.>>

^uhohzombies:
Personally, I'm voting no because I come to VS with intent to browse many submissions by many sifters and to actively play a part in the community process while exposing myself to a wide variety of content that I may never have seen otherwise. I don't come here to sit on the same page for thirty minutes to an hour watching an entire television show. If you want to introduce the community to a show that you enjoy I think it can be accomplished well enough using clips of several minutes in length.

Not everything can be conveyed in glib 3 minute clips without any context.

By K0MMIE

K0MMIE (http://1sttube.videosift.com/member/K0MMIE) — Sat, 29 Mar 2008 11:00:44 -0700

well... I ain't waiting. Here is the Big Lebowski:

http://www.videosift.com/video/The-Big-Lebowski

uh oh!

By CaptWillard

CaptWillard (http://1sttube.videosift.com/member/CaptWillard) — Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:17:45 -0700

Well it looks like the "Yes" vote is going to carry the day. However I think the "No" vote should not bow out yet. That's what Hillary would want.

By joedirt

joedirt (http://1sttube.videosift.com/member/joedirt) — Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:57:28 -0700

I strongly suggest that VIDEOSIFT remain for internet media.

I think the future will be for channels and TV VJ sites, because HULU interface is a piece of crap, go ahead and try and find a new episode there.

I recommend a TV.VIDEOSIFT where maybe voting isn't even used.

Just posting regular movies (like Big Lebowski) will turn the sift to crap.

By joedirt

joedirt (http://1sttube.videosift.com/member/joedirt) — Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:59:48 -0700

on the other hand, archive.org has some sweet cult classics full length public domain movies...

By K0MMIE

K0MMIE (http://1sttube.videosift.com/member/K0MMIE) — Sat, 29 Mar 2008 15:04:26 -0700

again... let the sifters decide what they want to watch. Don't set policies. YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO DICTATE WHAT IS ON THE "SIFT". It's a vote!

By Thylan

Thylan (http://1sttube.videosift.com/member/Thylan) — Sat, 29 Mar 2008 15:19:22 -0700

My instincts about full shows not being legit is too ingrained, but I realize this poll is actually in response to the fact they are now becoming available, and that this may be the future.

This is my way of saying I'm lame with an itchy vote finger, and I switch my vote from nay to yay.

By dag

dag (http://dag.videosift.com) — Sat, 29 Mar 2008 15:51:35 -0700

OK, the Sift has spoken. I'll provide an update in a few days, there other intricacies to consider.

By ant

ant (http://1sttube.videosift.com/member/ant) — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 05:06:37 -0700

Yes for legal ones that are online like hulu.com, southparkstudios.com, etc. Can this also be movies too? Also, can we get a tag for "full episode/movie"?

By ant

ant (http://1sttube.videosift.com/member/ant) — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 05:19:32 -0700

*quality too.

By siftbot

siftbot (http://1sttube.videosift.com/member/siftbot) — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 05:19:33 -0700

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